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bpeppleFESCo meeting ping -- bpepple, dgilmore, dwmw2, jwb, notting, nirik, kick_, jds2001, j-rod
Hi everybody; who's around?
* Kick__ is here
notting_ is here
nirik is here.
* jwb is here
* bpepple waits another minute or so to see who else wanders in.
* h\h is here for 20SecondStartup.
bpeppleh/h we can start off with that if you would like.
BrunoWolffI'm here to ask about the game spin feature for F11
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h\hwould be nice, yes
bpeppleanyone have any questions for h/h about his feature?
jwbwhy isn't it called 5 second startup
h\hjwb, because that is not realistic
* dgilmore
jwbfair enough
bpeppleI know jds2001 had a question about upstart in regard to this feature.
nirikso, this will also have some changes in gnome to get the desktop up quicker? might it be worth working with KDE/Xfce folks to see if they can improve their times as well ?
bpeppleh\h: ah, I see you answered his question on the discussion page.
nirik+1 in any case.
h\hupstart 0.5 has everything we need for the essential services to move to upstart
but, only if we move to 0.5
h\hif not, then I just skip this strategy
h\hnotting, we can't source config files and "exec" in 0.3
* j-rod here
bpepplenotes that jds2001 was a '+1' to this feature on the mailing list.
+1 to 20secondstartup feature from me also.
h\hthis feature is very flexible also :)
notting+1, although i'm skeptical of upstart being ready for services outside of 'things always started that are never disabled'
h\hnotting, 'things always started that are never disabled' is exactly what I want
nothing else
* j-rod finally caught up...
j-rod+1 in principle
* dwmw2 arrives
bpepplealright, I see seven '+1', and no objections to this feature, so it's been approved.
dwmw2+1 to it too
bpeppleany other questions for h\h, or should we move on?
jwbwill this be done by beta?
h\hwe will see
jwblet me rephrase
it needs to be done and testable by beta. or it gets dropped as a Feature
h\has long as nobody comes up with a 10s penalty in initrd  :)
* jwb puts on his hardass hat
nottingupstart 0.5 also has entertaining migration
h\hI know, notting
bpeppleh\h: thanks for your time.
h\hI already migrated rc
nottingh\h: there's a branch in initscripts git
h\hand tty*
ah, ok :)
nottingbut it's still 'yum upgrade && reboot -f'
yum upgrade && run
bpeppleok, if there's nothing else we can probably move on.
h\hI might just backport the environment stuff to 0.3 :)
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bpeppleok, the FPC has four proposals the approved last week, did folks get a chance to look at them?
jwbi have no objections
though i need to look at the FHS cross compiler stuff
nottingseems reasonable
* bpepple didn't have any objections either.
* nirik nods. Seems fine to me.
bpepplealright, if there are no objections we can move on.
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bpeppleok, the next two meetings are scheduled for the day before Christmas, and New Years.
bpeppleSo, my question is who is not going to be able to attend?
* nirik will be around, but would understand if we canceled.
dwmw2I might manage the 24th
* Kick__ raises his hand
dwmw2definitely not the 31st
jwbno to both, sorry
Kick__same here
jwbi'd like to point out that both of those meetings are for the new FESCo
nottingif requires, i could probably show up, but would prefer not to
bpepplejwb: correct.  I cc'd the nominees to get their input also, but haven't heard back from them.
Do we want to cancel the next two meetings? And have the first meeting for the new FESCo be on Jan. 7th?
sharkczi am here, it is bad for me both the 24 and 31
nirikor could we shift them a day early or something?
j-rodstupid laptop locked up on me...
bpepplenirik: I'm leery of trying to schedule for another day, just based on past experience of trying to reschedule meetings.
nirikyeah, true.
* nirik is ok with canceling them...
j-rodI'm quite likely to miss both
bpeppleI'm incline to say we cancel the next two meetings, and pick up on Jan 7th.
j-rodno argument here
bpeppleIf an emergency comes up we can handle it on the mailing list.
any objections to canceling the next two meetings? Speak up now.
nirikor convene an emergency session :)
bpepplenirik: right.
ok, we'll cancel the next two meetings due to the holidays.
moving on......
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BrunoWolffGames Spin?
bpeppleBrunoWolff: you had a question you wanted to bring up?
BrunoWolffI inherited a previously failed feature and wasn't sure if it was ready to propose or not.
If it is ready for a vote I can answer questions.
bpeppleBrunoWolff: have you brought the feature to the Feature Wrangler so he can give it a look over?
BrunoWolffI updated a couple of things on the feature page for F11 but wasn't sure if there was more that needed doing.
No I haven't done that.
If that needs to be done, first then I can do that.
bpeppleYeah, usually poelcat gives the feature pages a look over before sending them on to FESCo for approval.
jsmith-teaching JSchmitt
BrunoWolffOK. Then unless you guys have any questions now, I think I am done.
bpeppleany speaking of Spins, has the process for that been finished yet. I seem to recall jds2001 was going to work on that.
poelcatBrunoWolff: url of feature page?
It was there for F10; I just tweaked it.
Rahul is still listed, but those guys were looking for help because of time.
I have had successful tests. Though there are some outstanding things.
I wasn't sure how much of issues ends up on the Feature page.
There are bugs I have filed for games with missing post, pre, postun dependencies.
I am also working on an enhancement to let the squashfs file go over 4GiB, since space is tight.
bpeppleok, is there anything else folks want to discuss? Or should we start to wrap up the meeting?
BrunoWolffThat has been tested, but a change was requested.
nirikBrunoWolff: yeah, hopefully the spins feature process can be more clear in this cycle...
bpepplenirik: wasn't jds2001 working on that with the Spin SIG folks?
nirikbpepple: yeah. Not sure where it is currently...
nirik nim-nim Nirmal
BrunoWolffpolecat, I am going to hear back from you then? My email is bruno@wolff.to and my fas account is bruno.
bpepplenirik: I'll check with him and see where they are at.
alright, if there's nothing else, I'll say we wrap up for this week.
niriksounds good.
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