| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process | ||
| bpepple | FESCo meeting ping -- bpepple, dgilmore, dwmw2, jwb, notting, nirik, kick_, jds2001, j-rod | |
|---|---|---|
| Hi everybody; who's around? | ||
| dwmw2 | fish | |
| * jwb | ||
| * nirik is here. | ||
| notting is here | ||
| * bpepple waits another minute or so to see who else wanders in. | ||
| * nirik noticed a meeting last night using the bot fas command to answer whos in the meeting. Kinda cool. | ||
| dgilmore is ere | ||
| * Kick__ is here | ||
| bpepple | alright, let's get started. | |
| * skvidal snoops | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- sponsor nomination -- Jose Matos (jamatos) | ||
| * dgilmore missed his nomination | ||
| bpepple | There were several '+1' on the mailing list to his sponsor nomination, and no objections. | |
| * dgilmore will abstain | ||
| dwmw2 | as will I | |
| * jds2001 here sorry for the late notice | ||
| dwmw2 | do we have enough +1 to approve him? | |
| otherwise I'll try to rustle up an opinion somehow | ||
| jds2001 | er, sorry for being late | |
| +1 | ||
| bpepple | +1 here to jamato's request. | |
| nirik | +1 from me | |
| bpepple | s/jamato's/jamatos/ | |
| Kick__ | +1 | |
| notting | +1, sure | |
| jwb | 0 | |
| bpepple | alright, I see five '+1', and a couple of abstains, so we've approved his sponsor nomination. | |
| any other comments on his sponsor request? or should we move on? | ||
| ok, moving on then... | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCO-Meeting -- Features -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Fingerprint | ||
| bpepple | hadess: ping. | |
| hadess | yo | |
| bpepple | anyone have any questions for hadess about this feature? | |
| jwb | didn't we already have something like this in the past? | |
| nirik | thinkfinger. | |
| Kick__ | will this be supported by system-config-authentication ? | |
| jds2001 | which required manual pam config | |
| * nirik wonders if it runs in !gnome | ||
| notting | Kick__: a patch is mentioned there | |
| hadess | kick_: already is, did you read the feature page? | |
| nirik: yes | ||
| jds2001 | nirik: i can use thinkfinger in anything that uses PAM, I'm assuming this is the same. | |
| notting | hadess: hm, i suspect this won't work with pam_mount, but that's probably expected | |
| * Kick__ search for system-config instead of authconfig | ||
| jds2001 | Kick__: there is no system-config-authentication :) | |
| it's authconfig :) | ||
| hadess | jds2001: except that it's good code that supports more than one type of fingerprint readers | |
| jds2001 | hadess: oh, no doubt. I'd like it to be easier to use and all that too, without modifying my PAM config by hand | |
| which it looks like you've got :) | ||
| notting | hadess: what exactly is the key format that the fingerprint distills to? | |
| hadess | key format? | |
| notting | image? random stream of bytes that's 500k in length? | |
| hadess | depends on the reader | |
| hadess | usually pbm with a custom header for scanners | |
| binary blobs for most swipe type readers | ||
| fprintd also supports storage plugins, although nobody's written any yet | ||
| hadess | so people could save the fingerprint data to databases, or ldap or whatever | |
| notting | hadess: when you say 'Fingerprints can be used for authentication and gnome-screensaver' is there anything that needs done outside of pam config to enable support? | |
| hadess | notting: pam config can be done using authconfig | |
| notting: there's enrollment as well, where you save fingerprints to the disk | ||
| that's done in the control-center | ||
| jds2001 | right i think what notting is getting at is you mention gnome-screensaver | |
| did you make any changes there? | ||
| hadess | no | |
| tibbs|h | Has anyone considered how this interacts with kerberos? | |
| nirik | also, xscreensaver worked with the old thinkfinger, so I would hope the pam config here would work the same way there. | |
| dgilmore | hadess: what control centre does the enrollment | |
| notting | tibbs|h: i'd assume it won't renew a ticket, if that's what you're asking? | |
| hadess | dgilmore: gnome's | |
| dgilmore | hadess: what about kde, XFCE and other desktops? | |
| tibbs|h | notting: Or get a ticket for you at login. | |
| dgilmore | hadess: i have a fingerprint scanner but dont have gnome installed | |
| hadess | dgilmore: they're welcome to use the nicely documented D-Bus API | |
| tibbs|h | As long as its presence doesn't break the usual behavior of "type password, get ticket". | |
| hadess | dgilmore: you can use the command-line fprintd-enroll tool | |
| notting | tibbs|h: don't see how it could/would | |
| dgilmore | hadess: how will it play with thinkfinger? | |
| jwb | i believe it obsoletes thinkfinger | |
| nirik | or should it obsolete thinkfinger (which is orphaned) | |
| notting | hadess: re: the enrollment dialog... why does it need to denote which finger? just so it can remind you which finger you used later? | |
| hadess | i won't make it obsolete thinkfinger, because the behaviour is different, and you needed to manually modify files to make thinkfinger work | |
| notting: yeah | ||
| jwb | notting, theoretically you can store more than one fingerprint and require multiple swipes | |
| in case someone cuts off your index finger or something | ||
| hadess | what jwb said | |
| jwb | or you cut your finger (more likely) | |
| bpepple | jwb: worse case scenario. ;) | |
| notting | jwb: or explicitly tell your laptop that you're giving it the middle finger | |
| bpepple | +1 to Fingerprint feature. | |
| notting | +1 | |
| jwb | yeah. giving your laptop the middle finger sounds good | |
| +1 | ||
| jds2001 | +1 | |
| dgilmore | +1 | |
| nirik | +1 here | |
| Kick__ | +1 | |
| dwmw2 | +1 | |
| notting | hadess: next step - pam_webcam_face_recognition? | |
| bpepple | ok, I see eight '+1', and no objections, so we've approved the fingerprint feature. | |
| hadess | notting: hehe, could be done, but i'm not touching pam if i can avoid it | |
| bpepple | anyone have anything else to add, or should we move on to the next feature? | |
| hadess: thanks for taking the time to answer our questions. | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCO-Meeting -- Features -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Python_2.6 | ||
| bpepple | ivazquez: ping. | |
| ivazquez | Right here. | |
| hadess | bpepple: np | |
| jwb | "omit packages that don't rebuild/work properly" | |
| bpepple | ok, we talked about this quite a bit last week, any other questions about python-2.6? | |
| notting | +1. too much of a hassle to revert now ;) | |
| bpepple | +1 here also. | |
| Kick__ | +1 | |
| jds2001 | +1, I'll be bugging you about scope later :) | |
| nirik | +1 | |
| ivazquez | I realize that the feature page needs some rewriting. | |
| jwb | please :) | |
| aside from that +1 | ||
| notting | obviously we can check what doesn't rebuild. any way other than 'run everything' to catch anything that might have broken? | |
| ivazquez | We could try the 2to3 tool. | |
| I don't know how effective that will be though. | ||
| dgilmore | +1 make it work | |
| bpepple | ok, that's six '+1', and no objections so we've approved the python-2.6 feature. | |
| anything else about python-2.6 folks want to discuss? | ||
| alright, moving on then... | ||
| thanks ivazquez for all your work on this. | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCO-Meeting -- Features -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNSSEC | ||
| ivazquez | Sure thing. | |
| bpepple | anyone know Adam Tkac's irc nick? | |
| dwmw2 | atkac, I thought | |
| notting | ... on A Different Network, atkac. dunno about here. | |
| (it's also late where he is) | ||
| dwmw2 | come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever seen him here | |
| bpepple | dwmw2: yeah, I don't think I've seen him on any of the fedora channels. | |
| anyway, his feature pages look fairly complete, so we shouldn't have to many problems discussing them. | ||
| jwb | i'd like him to remove "invulnerable" from the page | |
| nirik | I would suggest that the other dns servers in fedora should be pulled into doing this if they also support dnssec. | |
| dgilmore | jwb: yeah thats about the only thing i didint like. | |
| nirik | pdns, maradns, and how does this affect dnsmasq? | |
| dwmw2 | jwb: it _is_ in quotes... I think it's fine like that | |
| jwb | i think it's too subtle | |
| dwmw2 | nah | |
| jwb | "significantly more resistant" | |
| dwmw2 | then you don't need the quotes :) | |
| nim-nim | "unbreakable" | |
| dwmw2 | hehe | |
| * nim-nim runs | ||
| bpepple | nirik: you might add that to the discussion page so Adam can get back to us on that. | |
| jwb | only the sith deal in absolutes | |
| nirik | bpepple: can do | |
| * dwmw2 should work out how to do dnssec | ||
| bpepple | +1 to DNSSEC feature. Looks reasonable, and like the contingency plan states we can disable by default if it doesn't pass QA. | |
| dwmw2 | +1 | |
| jwb | +1 | |
| nirik | +1, and will add comments on my questions. | |
| Kick__ | looks good, +1 | |
| dgilmore | +1, though id like "invulnerable" updated | |
| notting | +1 | |
| bpepple | alright, that's seven '+1', so we've approved the DNSSEC feature. | |
| bpepple | dgilmore: could you add that to the discussion page? | |
| * j-rod tardy | ||
| jds2001 | something more like "protected against" would likely be better | |
| other than that, I've got no issues with this. | ||
| yeah, his page on the wiki states 'IRC: usually not on public IRC but you can catch me on mail' | ||
| geez that was weird | ||
| dwmw2 | I don't want "invulnerable" updated. By pandering to the muppets who might misinterpret it, we are misleading them further into believing they have a place in this world and shouldn't just be taken out back and shot. | |
| jds2001 | i was like totally lagged | |
| bpepple | dwmw2: ;) | |
| jds2001 | +1 | |
| notting | woo, muppets! | |
| bpepple | alright, any have anything else to add about the DNSSEC feature? | |
| ok, moving on..... | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCO-Meeting -- Features -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TightVNC | ||
| jwb | dwmw2, except subtlety can be lost on non-native english speakers... | |
| bpepple | Adam is also the feature owner on this one. | |
| dwmw2 | jwb: quotes aren't really that subtle. | |
| jwb | says the native english speaker | |
| * jwb stops arguing :) | ||
| dwmw2 | ...who is typically about as subtle as a rhinoceros horn up the backside | |
| +1 to tightvnc. Why didn't we do this earlier? | ||
| nirik | dwmw2: it was proposed for 10, but didn't get finished in time I think (the package) | |
| jds2001 | i think it needed some improvements as noted on the feature page | |
| rwmjones | everyone's aware of gtk-vnc? | |
| nirik | does this affect any other vnc using stuff? vino? virt-manager? etc? | |
| rwmjones | http://freshmeat.net/projects/gtkvnc/ | |
| and vinagre which is a new vnc client built on top of it | ||
| jds2001 | yeah, anaconda is specifically mentioined. | |
| rwmjones | http://projects.gnome.org/vinagre/ | |
| dgilmore | this seems to be server side not client side | |
| jds2001 | so it would likely affect all of our vnc consumers. | |
| dgilmore | need to make sure the existing clients work with the new server | |
| jds2001 | i thought it was both, actually. | |
| jwb | there is a tightvnc client | |
| nirik | it has a client as well | |
| jwb | the package name is 'tightvnc' | |
| server is 'tightvnc-server' | ||
| dgilmore | the client is just another client | |
| i guess that we would need to make sure existing clients work with the new features | ||
| bpepple | +1 TightVNC feature. | |
| notting | +1 to the feature in general. testing seems covered ok with the test plan in the feature | |
| * Kick__ +1 | ||
| nirik | rwmjones: vinagre lacks some features, like 'via'... | |
| +1 here. | ||
| rwmjones | nirik, sure I was just noting that those exist :-) | |
| bpepple | alright, I see five '+1', so we've approved TightVNC. | |
| anyone have any other questions or comments? | ||
| j-rod | +1 | |
| bpepple | alright, that was all the features we had for this week. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora | ||
| jds2001_ | sorry for the lag, +1 to tightvnc | |
| bpepple | Anything else folks want to discuss this week? | |
| tibbs|h | I want to note that FPC met but I have not had time to write the summary. Having one day less is tough. | |
| nirik | general poll: who from fesco is going to be at fudcon? do we want to meet there and/or do a 'yell at fesco' session? | |
| bpepple | tibbs|h: yeah, that sucks, but not much we can do about that since Thursday didn't work for our new members. | |
| nim-nim | tibbs|h: can you have FESCO approve the fonts stuff now? | |
| jwb | nirik, still up in the air for me. doubtful | |
| tibbs|h | nim-nim: That is not up to me. | |
| dwmw2 | I almost certainly won't be | |
| bpepple | nim-nim: I don't think most of us have had a chance to even read the proposal. | |
| nim-nim | bpepple: ok :( | |
| bpepple | nirik: I don't think I'll be there either. | |
| * jds2001 will be there | ||
| jds2001 | and we can have a yell at fesco session :) | |
| jds2001 | even if it's just us two :) | |
| * notting will be at fudcon | ||
| jds2001 | well notting will be there too | |
| * nirik should be there. | ||
| j-rod will be there | ||
| Kick__ | too far from here ;-( | |
| bpepple | Alright, anything else? Or should we wrap up for this week? | |
| jwb | i have something | |
| bpepple | jwb: floors yours. | |
| jwb | i bugged the various secondary arch teams | |
| most of them came back with "meh. we're working on it" | ||
| (paraphrasing) | ||
| seems the biggest hurdle is what dgilmore is already working on with the koji support | ||
| bpepple | jwb: yeah, I saw the various summaries, I was going to summarize some of them in the FESCo meeting summary. | |
| jwb | after that, it was mostly "time" | |
| <eom> | ||
| * dgilmore will be at fudcon | ||
| nirik | I noticed that most of them said they were working on building f10 packages. Wouldn't it be better to work on getting rawhide building along with fedora rawhide? | |
| ie, get on the train instead of building the one that already left the station? | ||
| dgilmore | jwb: pretty much its blocking on me | |
| jwb | nirik, yes and no | |
| dgilmore | jwb: i keep up with all teh secondary arch teams regullary already | |
| I guess i should report on that | ||
| jwb | nirik, yes in the long run, but building for a secondary arch can be hard enough without trying to track a massively moving target | |
| nirik | true, but if you don't you will forever be behind... | |
| dgilmore | nirik: with what im working on they will be building F-10 and rawhide | |
| nirik | dgilmore: that would be ideal. | |
| jwb | nirik, what dgilmore said | |
| to do rawhide, you need proper koji support | ||
| * nirik nods | ||
| j-rod | jwb: whats the official word out of the ia64 camp? | |
| jds2001 | wtf? | |
| notting | they would be the ones that have not responded yet | |
| * dgilmore has been working on modifying the rawhide compose tools, and has it working for sparc every night | ||
| jwb | j-rod, what notting said | |
| jds2001, ? | ||
| j-rod | aha. | |
| jds2001_ | jwb: i just reconnected fro a second time in the same client | |
| jwb | oh | |
| dgilmore | j-rod: they have issues. one of which is that all the ia64 hardware died | |
| j-rod | that's strangely poetic | |
| rwmjones | lol | |
| notting | *ALL* of it? | |
| skvidal | dgilmore: :) | |
| jds2001 | died in what way? | |
| was seized or is no longer functional? | ||
| skvidal | jds2001: lost hope | |
| dgilmore | notting: yes all of it | |
| jwb | for some form of death | |
| dgilmore | jds2001: died in that you get nothing at the console when you power the boxes on | |
| jds2001 | ahhh | |
| notting | dgilmore: oh, all == all the ia64 secondary arch team's. i was thinking more global | |
| dgilmore | they had 4 boxes one was DOA, the rest have progressivly died | |
| jds2001 | i thought it might have been something along the lines of "we need hte space, these ia64 boxen aren't doing anything" | |
| dgilmore | notting: we could only hope | |
| j-rod | my zx2000 still works... :) | |
| bpepple | jwb: anything else about secondary arches? | |
| jwb | nope | |
| j-rod | has the ia64 squad asked for help? | |
| can RH provide life support? | ||
| dgilmore | j-rod: they are trying to find someone to take over management | |
| bpepple | ok, anyone have anything else to discuss? otherwise we can wrap up. | |
| Rathann | if I may, someone asked me about the status of https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/79 which seems a pretty important feature | |
| notting | but machines whose serial console interfaces have died are not particularly useful in a colo | |
| dwmw2 | Intel might be able to find some more hardware | |
| notting | dwmw2: AIUI, they're on it | |
| dgilmore | notting: kvm also gave nothing | |
| bpepple | Rathann: that's been a pretty outstanding issue, but no ones had time to implement it. | |
| dwmw2 | let me know if it needs chasing | |
| dgilmore | notting: the hardware should all be in westford right now | |
| j-rod | worst-case, I'm talking "I've got access to an altix and can build most of the F10 tree pretty quickly..." | |
| notting | Rathann: it's not as trivial as it seems | |
| Rathann | so it hasn't fallen under the table, good | |
| dgilmore | j-rod: :) | |
| bpepple | ok, if there's nothing else I'll start the ol' countdown. | |
| * bpepple will end the meeting in 60 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 30 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 15 | ||
| bpepple | -- MARK -- Meeting End | |
| Thanks, everyone! | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.5 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!