| --- Topic for #fedora-meeting is FAmNA | ||
| Topic for #fedora-meeting set by ke4qqq at Tue Nov 25 21:00:29 2008 | ||
| bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process | ||
| bpepple | FESCo meeting ping -- bpepple, dgilmore, dwmw2, jwb, notting, nirik, kick_, jds2001, j-rod | |
|---|---|---|
| Hi everybody; who's around? | ||
| jwb | here | |
| * nirik is here, but only so long as the evdo coverage holds out. | ||
| j-rod ephemerally here | ||
| Kick_ is here, almost | ||
| * bpepple waits another minute or so to see who else shows up. | ||
| * jds2001 here | ||
| bpepple | ok, we can probably get started. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- sponsor nominations -- David Woodhouse (dwmw2) | ||
| * dgilmore is here | ||
| bpepple | +1 to dwmw2 sponsor request. | |
| jds2001 | +1 | |
| dgilmore | +1 | |
| nirik | +1 | |
| Kick_ | +1 | |
| jwb | +1 | |
| bpepple | ok, I see six '+1', so we've approved dwmw2's request. | |
| moving on... | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- sponsor nominations -- Jon Stanley (jds2001) | ||
| Kick_ | hmm, let me think.... | |
| +1 ? | ||
| bpepple | ok, there were some objections to jds2001 request, but they seemed to mainly involve bad feelings about the bug process. | |
| nirik | I'd like to see more reviews. ;) jds2001 you intend to do more reviews? | |
| dgilmore | bpepple: i see no reason not to approve him | |
| jds2001 | nirik: of course :) | |
| bpepple | I spent some time with jds2001 when he came to Ohio for OLF, and I feel more than confident he knows the packaging guidelines well. | |
| +1 | ||
| dgilmore | bpepple: well i see one but thats just because he is a cards fan. but that doesnt prevent him doing good work. | |
| dgilmore | +1 | |
| bpepple | dgilmore: ;) | |
| nirik | ha. | |
| Kick_ | cards ? | |
| bpepple | Kick_: Cardinals. | |
| Kick_ | probably either baseball or football | |
| dgilmore | Kick_: basenall | |
| jds2001 | +1 if i can vote for myself :) | |
| nirik | Kick_: a football team or something. ;) | |
| dgilmore | baseball | |
| jds2001 | Kick_: baseball | |
| dgilmore | jds2001: you get no vote | |
| jds2001 | nirik: and a football team :) | |
| nirik | +1 here | |
| bpepple | ok, I see four '+1' so far. | |
| jwb, j-rod: ? | ||
| jwb | sec | |
| yeah, +1 | ||
| * j-rod wakes up again | ||
| j-rod | +1 | |
| bpepple | ok, I see six '+1' for jds2001's request, so it's been approved. | |
| j-rod | and +1 posthumously to the prior motion | |
| (sorry, distracted...) | ||
| bpepple | j-rod: no worries. | |
| ok, moving on.... | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting - EOL date for F8 - jds2001 | ||
| * j-rod votes for tomorrow | ||
| j-rod | was that one of the choices? | |
| jds2001 | j-rod: :) | |
| no :) | ||
| jwb | jan 5 seems fine | |
| jds2001 | by policy EOL comes 1 month after GA of N+2 | |
| nirik | jan 5 seems ok to me. | |
| jds2001 | so we're wanting to deviate to Jan 5. | |
| j-rod | hm... | |
| only leaves like 3 days after a longish vacation here at RH before the EOL data | ||
| date | ||
| bpepple | The reasoning is not to have this occur over the holidays, right? | |
| j-rod | 3 working days, that is | |
| jds2001 | yes. | |
| j-rod | if there were a desire to push out some last-minute fixage before EOL'ing, might want to give a few more days | |
| jds2001 | j-rod: we're giving more time, not less :) | |
| Kick_ | can we move it to the end of the week | |
| ? | ||
| j-rod | jds2001: yeah, I'm saying more more | |
| jwb | Kick_, no | |
| fudcon starts jan 9 | ||
| so people will be busy with that | ||
| jds2001 | Jan 5 is the end of the week. | |
| Are you proposing Jan 11? | ||
| j-rod | uh, jan 5 is a monday | |
| jwb | jds2001, wtf are you talking about | |
| bpepple | jds2001: I believe jan 5 is a monday, | |
| jds2001 | bah, looking at jan 2008 | |
| * jds2001 stupid | ||
| jwb | calendar fail | |
| :) | ||
| dgilmore | if there was to be more time id suggest only a couple of days | |
| Kick_ | how about Wednesday to give people time after holiday for same final fixes ? | |
| nirik | how about the 6th? | |
| j-rod | 7th | |
| :) | ||
| jwb | f13, ping | |
| bpepple | yeah, the 7th sound alright to me. | |
| Kick_ | 7th is fine | |
| * nirik shrugs. | ||
| jwb | let's just ask the people that this is going to actually effect | |
| nirik | jwb: people who never upgrade? | |
| jwb | i meant rel-eng (for pushing final updates) the bugzilla people, etc | |
| jds2001 | jwb: eng-ops is one of them, that's why we wanted to push to the 5th | |
| j-rod | well, I think it impacts anyone who packages critical core bits | |
| personally, I'm thinking about the kernel | ||
| jwb | pushing a kernel update on the last day of life is not something i would recommend | |
| if it sucks, you have no recourse for fixing it... | ||
| nirik | yeah, really things should wind down... not have a bunch of junk at the end. | |
| I'm ok with the 7th, but no later. | ||
| jwb | agreed | |
| dgilmore | which is why new CVS branches are already cut off | |
| * nirik nods | ||
| j-rod | jwb: I suppose there would be that... I was thinking critical bugfix/security type thing that could have cropped up over the break | |
| nirik | it should be security and critical bugfix only till the end now. | |
| j-rod | heh | |
| bpepple | alright, so it sounds like we're on agreement on having the EOL be January 7th, providing rel-eng doesn't have any objections. | |
| j-rod | yeah, +1 for the 7th | |
| jwb | if they do, revisit | |
| +1 for 7th | ||
| dgilmore | +1 | |
| nirik | +1 | |
| bpepple | +1 | |
| dgilmore | 7th it is | |
| jds2001 | +1 for the 7th | |
| Kick_ | +1 | |
| bpepple | ok, that seven '+1', so we've approved the jan 7 EOL date, providing rel-eng doesn't object. | |
| anyone have anything else to add, otherwise we can move on. | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting - Person responsible for making sure features have test plan scope are in compliance by deadlines - all | ||
| bpepple | ok, last week we set deadlines for having scope and test cases completed for features. | |
| jds2001 | wwoods: ping | |
| * nirik thinks wwoods is traveling today. | ||
| jds2001 | hmm, everyone's already taken vacation. | |
| bpepple | we need to decide who is in charge of keeping tabs on these items. poelcat doesn't have time to. | |
| jds2001 | I really think that it should be someone from QA. | |
| since it's their thing, really. | ||
| wwoods, myself, or jlaska | ||
| bpepple | jds2001: do they have free time to do it? | |
| jwb | if not, we could send out a call-for-assistance email | |
| nirik | perhaps you guys could discuss and nominate one of your number? ;) | |
| * jlaska reads back | ||
| bpepple | if no one for QA has time, I can do it for F11. | |
| jds2001 | bpepple: I can take it if no one else does :) | |
| bpepple | jds2001: ok, I sounds like it yours then. ;) | |
| thanks! | ||
| s/I/it/ | ||
| anyone have anything else to add? Or should we move on? | ||
| dgilmore | lets move on | |
| bpepple | done. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora | ||
| bpepple | ok, that's everything I had on the agenda for today. | |
| Anything else folks want to discuss? | ||
| bpepple | Kick_: are you planning on running for FESCo again? | |
| nirik | there was some talk about the provenpackager populating (say that 10 times real fast), do we want to revisit that? or just leave the existing decision in place. | |
| bpepple | nirik: That was for the initial seeding wasn't it? | |
| jwb | yes | |
| Kick_ | I would if there were to few nominations, but as there are enough, no... I just don't have enough free time | |
| jwb | revoking it now would be "interesting" | |
| bpepple | I don't think we can revisit it, unless we revoke everyone's membership. | |
| nirik | well, I don't know how many people have used it... but ok. Just thought I would mention it. | |
| jwb | we _could_ ask people to voluntarily remove themselves | |
| though i'm not sure if that would really do much | ||
| bpepple | Kick_: totally understandable. I just wanted to make sure you were aware the nomination period was still open. | |
| nirik | well, or remove everyone who hasn't used it. | |
| jds2001 | so what's the problem space? The only concerns I'd heard is tthat there's too many folks | |
| and that the methods of getting in there are...lax. | ||
| jds2001 | but i thought that's how it was supposed to be, very low barriers once you're already a packager. | |
| bpepple | jds2001: which they would have been anyhow. | |
| nirik | we should I think announce more about why you should approve someone. | |
| bpepple | The problem seemed to be with allowing folks with >8 packages into the group in the initial seeding. | |
| nirik | yeah... so I guess: horse, barn door, move along... | |
| jds2001 | how else would we have done it? | |
| bpepple | ok, anything else or should we wrap up the meeting for the day. | |
| jds2001 | but yeah :) | |
| nirik | when is the nomination period over for fesco elections? | |
| Kick_ | I've checked the webcollage stuff last week, it still displayed random pictures from the internet. There are fixed packages available now with a simple shell wrapper. I had no chance to test them yet, but the wrapper looks ok | |
| bpepple | nirik: I believe Dec 2nd. | |
| nirik | ok. we should try and talk some more folks into nominating. | |
| Kick_ | do we need more nominations ? | |
| jds2001 | Kick_: on my rawhide machine and F9, it seemed to display images from the backgrounds directory | |
| unless I took some action to make it do something else. | ||
| bpepple | nirik: I was going to check to see if abadger1999 was interested in joining FESCo again. | |
| jwb | has anyone asked mschwendt? | |
| bpepple | I believe we currently have 5 nominations for 4 seats. | |
| nirik | jwb: not that I know of, feel free to. | |
| abadger1999 | bpepple: Hmmm... Lots of work. I'll have to think about it. | |
| bpepple | abadger1999: you got until december 2nd. ;) | |
| ok, if there's nothing else lets put a fork in this meeting. | ||
| * bpepple will end the meeting in 60 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 30 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 15 | ||
| bpepple | -- MARK -- Meeting End | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.5 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!