| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process | ||
| bpepple | FESCo meeting ping -- bpepple, dgilmore, dwmw2, jwb, notting, nirik, kick_, jds2001, j-rod | |
|---|---|---|
| Hi everybody; who's around? | ||
| dwmw2 | fish | |
| * notting is here | ||
| Kick_ is here | ||
| * j-rod here, mostly | ||
| * bpepple waits another minute or so to see who else shows up. | ||
| bpepple | ok, we can probably get started. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- sponsor nominations -- Andreas Thienemann (ixs) | ||
| bpepple | First up, we've got a request to make ixs a sponsor. | |
| nirik gave a +1 to the nomination on the mailing list. | ||
| dwmw2 | +1 | |
| Kick_ | +1 from me as well | |
| bpepple | +1 to ixs | |
| j-rod | I share a tiny bit of ralf's concern over occasional slow response, but I completely understand the lack of free time thing | |
| ubertibbs | For the record, I recall significant problems ages ago (not dealing with failed rebuilds, not responding to review tickets, etc.) a couple of years ago but I have no experience with his more recent activities. | |
| j-rod | and he was quite reasonable with some bacula stuff I worked w/him on | |
| so +1 from me too | ||
| bpepple | ok, I see five '+1' to ixs's request, so it's been approved. | |
| j-rod | plenty knowledgeable and careful wrt upgrading the bacula bits in a way that didn't destroy people's working setups and whatnot | |
| notting | delayed +1 from me | |
| bpepple | anything else folks want to add in regard to ixs? otherwise we can move on. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- adjusting post-beta snapshots - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg01994.html - all | ||
| Kick_ | +1 | |
| bpepple | +1 | |
| +1 from nirik on the mailing list. | ||
| dwmw2 | whatever releng want | |
| +1 | ||
| j-rod | "nod of approval" | |
| notting | +1 | |
| bpepple | ok, I see six '+1', and no objections, so we've approved the rel-eng request. | |
| moving on...... | ||
| * jwb ishere | ||
| jwb | +1 | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- Features - Sbin Sanity - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg00337.html - ville | ||
| bpepple | ok, Ville wanted us to discuss reverting this feature. | |
| dwmw2 | What was the 'better way' and why do we need it? | |
| is the only real objection just the 'tab completion finds more stuff' ? | ||
| * j-rod happy with the way things are now, always used to manually make things that way anyhow | ||
| bpepple | dwmw2: correct. | |
| dwmw2 | I find that objection a little spurious | |
| jwb | ? | |
| dwmw2 | I've _always_ had to add /sbin to my path manually and it's been a pain in the arse. I'm all for the existing change. | |
| j-rod | likewise. let it be. | |
| dwmw2 | jwb: apparently fir<TAB> no longer gives you firefox if you add /sbin ot the path | |
| this makes kittens die | ||
| jwb | i was confused by your choice of 'spurious' as a description, but whatever :) | |
| dwmw2 | yeah. My grasp of the language is poor at times | |
| bpepple | fyi, in case anyone hasn't checked their e-mail in the last half-hour, ville had this comment in regard to nirik's comment: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-October/msg02180.html | |
| dwmw2 | yeah, he does have a point, kind of, about being hard to revert. Although not a great one. | |
| but are we really going to come up with a better answer? | ||
| bpepple | dwmw2: ville did say that Matt Miller and him were working on doing it the 'correct' way. | |
| dwmw2 | I saw in a package review last week that someone was trying to put nothing in /usr/bin, and use bash 'module' stuff instead. I'd never seen that before... and maybe it can handle sbin too? | |
| jwb | what is the 'correct' way? | |
| dwmw2 | bpepple: he did, but I don't.... indeed, jwb. | |
| * dgilmore is kinda here. in other meeting also | ||
| Kick_ | jwb: fix sudo to include sbin, p.e. | |
| dwmw2 | that's 2/3 of bugger all use. | |
| we want it for non-root users too | ||
| -1 to the proposal to revert SbinSanity. | ||
| j-rod | -1 for revert | |
| bpepple | -1 to revert from nirik on the mailing list. | |
| Kick_ | +1 from me as I still don't want to have sbin in my normal users path | |
| j-rod | I like 'ip a s' to Just Work | |
| jwb | 0 | |
| i don't care either way and i think it's making a mountain out of a molehill | ||
| bpepple | -1 to revert. | |
| notting, dgilmore: ? | ||
| notting | -1 to revert | |
| jwb | 5 | |
| dgilmore | -1 to revert | |
| dwmw2 | If they want to come to us _quickly_ (i.e. next week) with a concrete, ready-to-ship alternative, then we can consider it. Although I don't hold out much hope for such an alternative | |
| bpepple | I see six '-1', one '-1', and one '0' to reverting the sbin sanity feature. | |
| dwmw2 | since I think the objection is to the principle, not the implementation. | |
| Kick_ | one +1 | |
| bpepple | Kick_: correct, typo on my part. | |
| dgilmore | if there was a concrete workable alternative then i think we can consider it | |
| bpepple | anyone have anything else to add? Or should we move on? | |
| dwmw2 | doing it in interactive shells but not non-interactive might address the concern about scripts. But is probably worse than the original problem it tries to fix | |
| bpepple | ok, moving on..... | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- Features - all | ||
| bpepple | poelcat: did the art team pull the echo icon feature? | |
| jwb | mizmo said it was not ready | |
| bpepple | jwb: I thought I saw something about it, but wasn't 100% sure. | |
| poelcat | bpepple: i haven't heard/seen anything about the page | |
| notting | it was reverted as the default icon set in fedora-icon-theme yesterday/today | |
| poelcat | though i'm behind on email | |
| bpepple | notting: ok, thanks. | |
| bpepple | poelcat: anything else in regard to features we need to discuss today? I know next week is a deadline for a couple of features. | |
| poelcat | bpepple: i'd like to get started on F11 feature process review as time permits | |
| poelcat | i'll send out mail | |
| bpepple | poelcat: sounds good to me. | |
| ok, if there is nothing else we can move on. | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- comps - j-rod, nirik | ||
| bpepple | j-rod: any progress on the comps guidelines? | |
| j-rod | I suck, two weeks in a row | |
| * jds2001 wanders in late | ||
| bpepple | j-rod: no worries, just wanted to touch base with you. | |
| * bpepple remembers that jds2001 was going to work on it, not nirik. | ||
| bpepple | anyway, that's all I had on the schedule for today. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora | ||
| jds2001 | yeah, I suck too, and the topic just came up yesterday | |
| dwmw2 | I suck, because I didn't review a package yet this week | |
| jds2001 | which reminded me of it being on my pile o' doom | |
| dwmw2 | and I can't even find the damn list to pick from, either :) | |
| wwoods | since we're on the subject of comps guidelines - I committed a relax-ng schema for comps a while back | |
| bpepple | dwmw2: I didn't either, though I did manage to schedule a meeting for the package review sig. | |
| * Kick_ got one of his own packages reviewed, does that count ? | ||
| dwmw2 | should we put review bugs into NEEDINFO when we're waiting for the packager to fix something? | |
| wwoods | it'd make me very happy if comps changes were validated before checkin | |
| jds2001 | dwmw2: yeah, sounds sane | |
| bpepple | wwoods: yeah, that would be nice. | |
| notting | wwoods: ugh, effort on the cvs side | |
| * dwmw2 does that to the first three reviews bugs he looked at with a view to helping with :) | ||
| dwmw2 | what's the search we use for review bugs which need input? | |
| wwoods | yeah, cvs effort = boo | |
| which is why I'm merely making the suggestion rather than demanding it (and thus volunteering to write the cvs bits) | ||
| notting | open bugs for component "Package Review"? | |
| ubertibbs | http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/NEW.html | |
| dwmw2 | ta | |
| * bpepple sees ubertibbs beat him to the link. | ||
| * dwmw2 was looking for review keyword or flag or something | ||
| dwmw2 | übertibbs, please. | |
| even though IRC can't handle it :) | ||
| * jds2001 demands UTF-8 IRC :) | ||
| Kick_ | looks ok here | |
| dwmw2 | er, do @redhat.com folks need sponsorship? | |
| jwb | ircd doesn't allow UTF-8 in nicks | |
| dwmw2, yes | ||
| bpepple | dwmw2: yeah. | |
| Kick_ | oh | |
| ubertibbs | Everyone needs sponsorship. | |
| ubertibbs | I wouldn't generally put review tickets into needinfo immediately. | |
| At least now that its a flag, though, it won't make the tickets drop out of many searches so it shouldn't hurt anything. | ||
| bpepple | anyone have anything else they wish to discuss, otherwise we can wrap up for this week. | |
| Kick_ | bpepple: there were two issues at yesterdays FPC meeting which seem to need FESCo ratification according to the meeting summary | |
| * dwmw2 refines search.... component=Package Review and description does not contain 'Merge Review' and needinfo flag not set and fedora-review flag not set either | ||
| Kick_ | but we can do that next week | |
| bpepple | Kick_: do you have a link? | |
| Kick_ | bpepple: only the mail on f-devel 'Summary of the 2008-10-21 Packaging' | |
| ubertibbs | Honestly those two guideline tweaks were probably in the "just do small things that make sense" category. | |
| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes/20081021 | ||
| Tweaks for eclipse plugins to accommodate changes in Eclipse 3.4 and a the removal of some confusing language in the desktop file guidelines | ||
| bpepple | ubertibbs: thanks. I thought we had changed that vendor thing awhile back. | |
| ubertibbs | which made folks think that --fendor=fedora was required in many cases. | |
| Yeah, we should have but things got held up while mclasen figures out what breaks when we remove it. | ||
| bpepple | ubertibbs: ah, thanks. | |
| ubertibbs | spot just wrote around that delay by specifying that existing packages shouldn't change. | |
| bpepple | anyone have any objections to the guideline changes proposed by FPC? | |
| Kick_ | no, looks sane | |
| jds2001 | +1 here | |
| bpepple | ubertibbs: I don't see any objections so consider them approved. | |
| notting | +1 | |
| bpepple | ok, if there is nothing else, I'll start the meeting end countdown. | |
| * bpepple will end the meeting in 60 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 30 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 15 | ||
| bpepple | -- MARK -- Meeting End | |
| Thanks, everyone! | ||
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