| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process | ||
| bpepple | FESCo meeting ping -- bpepple, dgilmore, dwmw2, jwb, notting, nirik, kick_, jds2001, j-rod | |
|---|---|---|
| Hi everybody; who's around? | ||
| * Kick__ is here | ||
| notting_ is here | ||
| nirik is here. | ||
| * jwb is here | ||
| * bpepple waits another minute or so to see who else wanders in. | ||
| * h\h is here for 20SecondStartup. | ||
| bpepple | h/h we can start off with that if you would like. | |
| BrunoWolff | I'm here to ask about the game spin feature for F11 | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCO-Meeting -- Features -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/20SecondStartup | ||
| h\h | would be nice, yes | |
| bpepple | anyone have any questions for h/h about his feature? | |
| jwb | why isn't it called 5 second startup | |
| h\h | jwb, because that is not realistic | |
| * dgilmore | ||
| jwb | fair enough | |
| +1 | ||
| :) | ||
| bpepple | I know jds2001 had a question about upstart in regard to this feature. | |
| h\h | yes | |
| nirik | so, this will also have some changes in gnome to get the desktop up quicker? might it be worth working with KDE/Xfce folks to see if they can improve their times as well ? | |
| bpepple | h\h: ah, I see you answered his question on the discussion page. | |
| nirik | +1 in any case. | |
| h\h | upstart 0.5 has everything we need for the essential services to move to upstart | |
| but, only if we move to 0.5 | ||
| notting | really? | |
| h\h | if not, then I just skip this strategy | |
| h\h | notting, we can't source config files and "exec" in 0.3 | |
| with $OPTIONS | ||
| * j-rod here | ||
| bpepple | notes that jds2001 was a '+1' to this feature on the mailing list. | |
| +1 to 20secondstartup feature from me also. | ||
| h\h | this feature is very flexible also :) | |
| notting | +1, although i'm skeptical of upstart being ready for services outside of 'things always started that are never disabled' | |
| h\h | notting, 'things always started that are never disabled' is exactly what I want | |
| nothing else | ||
| * j-rod finally caught up... | ||
| j-rod | +1 in principle | |
| Kick__ | +1 | |
| * dwmw2 arrives | ||
| bpepple | alright, I see seven '+1', and no objections to this feature, so it's been approved. | |
| h\h | thanks | |
| dwmw2 | +1 to it too | |
| bpepple | any other questions for h\h, or should we move on? | |
| jwb | will this be done by beta? | |
| h\h | we will see | |
| jwb | let me rephrase | |
| it needs to be done and testable by beta. or it gets dropped as a Feature | ||
| h\h | as long as nobody comes up with a 10s penalty in initrd :) | |
| * jwb puts on his hardass hat | ||
| notting | upstart 0.5 also has entertaining migration | |
| h\h | I know, notting | |
| bpepple | h\h: thanks for your time. | |
| h\h | I already migrated rc | |
| notting | h\h: there's a branch in initscripts git | |
| h\h | and tty* | |
| ah, ok :) | ||
| notting | but it's still 'yum upgrade && reboot -f' | |
| h\h | right | |
| yum upgrade && run | ||
| bpepple | ok, if there's nothing else we can probably move on. | |
| h\h | I might just backport the environment stuff to 0.3 :) | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Any objection to last week's report from FPC at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes/20081209 | ||
| bpepple | ok, the FPC has four proposals the approved last week, did folks get a chance to look at them? | |
| s/has/had/ | ||
| jwb | i have no objections | |
| though i need to look at the FHS cross compiler stuff | ||
| notting | seems reasonable | |
| * bpepple didn't have any objections either. | ||
| * nirik nods. Seems fine to me. | ||
| bpepple | alright, if there are no objections we can move on. | |
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo-Meeting -- Meetings during holiday? Who's going to be able to attend - all | ||
| bpepple | ok, the next two meetings are scheduled for the day before Christmas, and New Years. | |
| bpepple | So, my question is who is not going to be able to attend? | |
| * nirik will be around, but would understand if we canceled. | ||
| dwmw2 | I might manage the 24th | |
| * Kick__ raises his hand | ||
| dwmw2 | definitely not the 31st | |
| jwb | no to both, sorry | |
| Kick__ | same here | |
| jwb | i'd like to point out that both of those meetings are for the new FESCo | |
| notting | if requires, i could probably show up, but would prefer not to | |
| bpepple | jwb: correct. I cc'd the nominees to get their input also, but haven't heard back from them. | |
| Do we want to cancel the next two meetings? And have the first meeting for the new FESCo be on Jan. 7th? | ||
| sharkcz | i am here, it is bad for me both the 24 and 31 | |
| nirik | or could we shift them a day early or something? | |
| j-rod | stupid laptop locked up on me... | |
| bpepple | nirik: I'm leery of trying to schedule for another day, just based on past experience of trying to reschedule meetings. | |
| nirik | yeah, true. | |
| * nirik is ok with canceling them... | ||
| j-rod | I'm quite likely to miss both | |
| bpepple | I'm incline to say we cancel the next two meetings, and pick up on Jan 7th. | |
| j-rod | no argument here | |
| bpepple | If an emergency comes up we can handle it on the mailing list. | |
| any objections to canceling the next two meetings? Speak up now. | ||
| nirik | or convene an emergency session :) | |
| bpepple | nirik: right. | |
| ok, we'll cancel the next two meetings due to the holidays. | ||
| moving on...... | ||
| --- bpepple has changed the topic to: FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora | ||
| BrunoWolff | Games Spin? | |
| bpepple | BrunoWolff: you had a question you wanted to bring up? | |
| BrunoWolff | I inherited a previously failed feature and wasn't sure if it was ready to propose or not. | |
| If it is ready for a vote I can answer questions. | ||
| bpepple | BrunoWolff: have you brought the feature to the Feature Wrangler so he can give it a look over? | |
| BrunoWolff | I updated a couple of things on the feature page for F11 but wasn't sure if there was more that needed doing. | |
| No I haven't done that. | ||
| If that needs to be done, first then I can do that. | ||
| bpepple | Yeah, usually poelcat gives the feature pages a look over before sending them on to FESCo for approval. | |
| jsmith-teaching JSchmitt | ||
| BrunoWolff | OK. Then unless you guys have any questions now, I think I am done. | |
| bpepple | any speaking of Spins, has the process for that been finished yet. I seem to recall jds2001 was going to work on that. | |
| poelcat | BrunoWolff: url of feature page? | |
| BrunoWolff | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin | |
| It was there for F10; I just tweaked it. | ||
| Rahul is still listed, but those guys were looking for help because of time. | ||
| I have had successful tests. Though there are some outstanding things. | ||
| I wasn't sure how much of issues ends up on the Feature page. | ||
| There are bugs I have filed for games with missing post, pre, postun dependencies. | ||
| I am also working on an enhancement to let the squashfs file go over 4GiB, since space is tight. | ||
| bpepple | ok, is there anything else folks want to discuss? Or should we start to wrap up the meeting? | |
| BrunoWolff | That has been tested, but a change was requested. | |
| nirik | BrunoWolff: yeah, hopefully the spins feature process can be more clear in this cycle... | |
| bpepple | nirik: wasn't jds2001 working on that with the Spin SIG folks? | |
| nirik | bpepple: yeah. Not sure where it is currently... | |
| nirik nim-nim Nirmal | ||
| BrunoWolff | polecat, I am going to hear back from you then? My email is bruno@wolff.to and my fas account is bruno. | |
| bpepple | nirik: I'll check with him and see where they are at. | |
| alright, if there's nothing else, I'll say we wrap up for this week. | ||
| nirik | sounds good. | |
| * bpepple will end the meeting in 60 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 30 | ||
| bpepple will end the meeting in 15 | ||
| bpepple | -- MARK -- Meeting End | |
| Thanks, everyone! | ||
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